Readers letter: No money, no resources, no music!
We get a lot of letters asking for advice from people who have been reading our ‘Creative Secrets’ and luckily many of them are similar, after all most of us are struggling with exactly the same problems, even if it doesn’t always feel like that. This is the first in a series of solutions to problems our readers have put to us. If you think that you don’t have the resources you need to get started on achieving your creative dreams you might find this useful.
This is a real letter from a real reader who gracefully agreed to let us share his problem so that others might benefit from our humble opinions. Names have been changed to protect peoples privacy.
Like many people all over the world, Music is what gets me excited.
It’s my lifelong dream to just express myself through the art of music. To express myself & touch the lives of people at the same time. And I want to make music for the love & joy of it, I’m not looking to make loads of money.
Not too long ago I tried to start a band with some friends but time & time again, things keep falling through. I want to sing mostly; and yet I’m often told otherwise. I also want to learn piano too but at the moment I don’t have the money nor the resources to really do what I want. I write, but I don’t know how to sing what I’ve written.
I love music and I want to make music. I just wish I had more resources to really try different things. I understand that nothing good comes easily & that I need to be patient but it’s still quite annoying to know that there isn’t a whole lot I can do for the time being.
Any suggestions as to what might help me to find my muse or to help me get back on my feet with my creativity?
Andrew.
Don’t want no evil money
The first thing that strikes me is the ‘money disclaimer’ which Andrew announces early in his letter “I’m not looking to make loads of money”. I hear this a lot and it’s almost always a cover-up. When someone tells us out of the blue that they don’t want to make money or they don’t care about money a little digging usually reveals one or more of the following;
- they don’t know how to make money
- they are scared of not being able to make a lot of money (scared of failing)
- they have been brought up to believe that actually making a lot of money makes you a bad person (this is very common)
- they are scared of doing the things that they think it will take to make a lot of money, like performing in public to lots of people, or actually mastering their skills beyond the amateur level.
It’s very similar to another disclaimer I’ve heard several people say over the years “I want to get fit but I don’t want to go to a gym because I don’t want to end up looking like a body builder”.
Well guess what, no one goes to a gym, trips over a barbell and comes out looking like a body builder! In just the same way that no one commits to their music, performs on stage once and walks out with a suitcase full of cash.
Money helps us keep score of the value we are delivering
Money is merely a token that we collectively use to make bartering more efficient.
In any situation your earnings will be directly in proportion to;
a) The amount of focus you give to money.
b) The amount of value you deliver to your audience.
If you are truly delivering value as an artist, people will naturally want to reciprocate, they will want to give you something that they value in return. In ye olden days, that might have been a chicken or a bundle of wheat, but some rock star, way-back-when, got sick of being given chickens by his adoring fans and started exchanging CD’s and T-shirts for golden coins.
So, my point isn’t that Andrew should be focusing on making money, more than making music, but he can explore his feelings about money. If money is an issue (and for 99% of the population it is) he can educate himself and remove a few limiting beliefs that could hold him back from the success he wants.
Attitude is everything
At the end of the day, money and resources have NOTHING to do with how successful we are, it’s 99% ATTITUDE and attitude is simply how we choose to think about the world.
Money is nothing but a tool. It can be used to do great good as well as make a mess of your life. And if you have a genuine message to spread, it’s a lot easier to achieve that goal with a pot of gold you can dip into.
It’s also a lot easier to protect ourselves from the fear of failure by saying we don’t want something that is actually very useful. If Andrew mastered his music and he put it out into the world where it did touch people and inspire them, it would most definitely have the potential to earn him a lot of money. Now if he really didn’t want that money, he could still use it in a positive way to change even more lives on an even deeper level.
Do you really not want to make any money?
So my advice to anyone who has a habit of shunning money is, just ask yourself, is it really money that you don’t want. Or is it all the hard work and effort that is required to master your craft?
I don’t own a Learjet
The rest of Andrew’s letter talks about all the other things besides money that he hasn’t got and how all these things that he hasn’t got make him helpless.
Well, that’s pretty much self imposed helplessness.
I don’t own a Learjet, but it doesn’t stop me getting around.
I’ve yet to meet someone who truly had a resource problem. Andrew’s real challenge is his state of mind. If he can change his state of mind, if he can develop his attitude, he might suddenly find himself in a world full of resources.
If you haven’t read the David Horvath Edition yet, I recommend you check it out. David is co-creator of the Uglydolls. He’s experiencing global success and he started off with a few scraps of material and a needle and thread. Literally. It’s a great, true story about starting with no support and no resources.
There are others like you, near you
What I would suggest Andrew do is find other people who are ambitious and who can help him grow and compliment his own musical skills. This is unlikely to be ‘friends’. But there will be people out there, in his location who feel exactly the same way, you just have to put yourself out there and find them. A lot of musicians join lots of different bands before finding the right people that they can make great music with.
Joining a band is just like joining a team or building a company. Doing it with friends isn’t always a good idea. You don’t want people who think and act the same as you, what you need is people who compliment you. There is also nothing to stop you joining more than one band and practicing more than one type of music, there’s an unlimited amount of learning to be done and trust me when I tell you that even world class musicians who have ‘reached the top’ continue to learn and develop their skills through out their lives.
As ‘The Donald’ would say…
As for acquiring any other resource, there is always a way, you just have to focus on the solution, not the problem.
A piano is an expensive piece of equipment, both to buy and to maintain. That’s a problem. But a keyboard isn’t. You can buy a keyboard on eBay for $50 and spend a couple of years learning from the thousands of totally free tutorial videos on YouTube.
When you progress past the basics, you can put some feelers out in your neighborhood, there is always someone with a piano, a school, a church, the teacher down the end of the road. If you can’t afford lessons yet, offer to clean their windows, or mow their lawn. Lots of artists love to pass on their skills, but only to people who demonstrate they really want it and are willing to put the effort in. There are a million ways to find a solution, it just requires the willingness to put yourself out there and not be defeated by a few NO’s.
The truth about success
The truth is, the path to success is littered with a thousand rejections, a thousands NO’s, and years of making-do, whilst enjoying yourself and moving forward. And that’s what it’s all about, setting yourself in motion. Because the more you do, the more you put yourself out there, the more people you will meet who want to help you and the more opportunities you will come across.
Cue the music…
It doesn’t take a lot of resources to get your creative ball rolling, a pen and paper, a stereo, a tape and….
Keep em coming
Thanks again to ‘Andrew’ for letting us share his letter. Let us know if our advice is useful to you all and keep your letters coming, we love to hear from you.
Paul.
January 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Hey, this is more a response directly to the letter than the blog but here goes anyway:
I understand a lot of what you are going through. I’ve not got a lot of money either to work with but there are simple things you can do to get yourself going. The first recommendation I have is work with anything you already have. If parents, family members or friends have instruments dotted around the house give them a shot. Building skill with one instrument seems to naturally let you pick other instruments up faster as you gain quick understandings of how chords and notes work together and around each other.
If there aren’t any instruments around then never fear, the next option is simple. Get a job (if you haven’t already got one) and save for a bit. It’s not quick but it can be done. The next thing to do is go hunting around charity shops and various places like Ebay for cheap instruments. Cheap Keyboards and guitars are around, I picked a perfectly good one up for something approaching $30 (I’m english so not totally sure bout the exchange rate) and it lets you experiment. You can expand your creativity further with a guitar simply by buying a capo, which will open up hundreds of new ideas.
Finally recording. Buy a cheap microphone and download a freeware piece of software called Audacity. It’s not the best thing in the world, but it is damn good for something that doesn’t cost a penny and allows multi-track recording so you can expand ideas without other band members even being required. I’m considering looking for a band, but at the moment I am fine with just gigging by myself.
I hope that helps in any way, and good luck!
George
January 4th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Hey George, good advice.
It’s been said many times that the average person living in the west today has access to resources that kings and queens of a few hundred years ago could only dream about. This has never been more true than since the arrival of the Internet. We are so lucky to be living in an age where we really can follow almost any creative path we choose for next to no financial cost.
And its easier than any other time in history for people with similar goals and ambitions to find each other and share their knowledge. I’m actually working on a community forum to help on that front right now. More details soon.
January 5th, 2009 at 1:04 am
Hey, this is mainly in response to the article:
I can’t lie, I was intrigued with the suggestions proposed in the article. You’re pretty insightful & I have to respect that.
As for the money. A lot of what you said is true. I did grow up seeing people with money in a bad light, because well, many of them are not exactly the best people. In reality, of course I want to make money. Not that there’s anything wrong with Chicken and a bundle of wheat heh. I want to be able to get different instruments & try different things & experiment a bit more with music and of course, money is a big factor in my wanting to achieve all of that. Plus I plan on getting married & having a kid or kids eventually & I’m going to need money for that. But what I meant was, that money is not my only focus. And I have seen that there are people with money that are good people, the great fella’s of Incubus are a great example of that for sure.
And with attitude, I’m getting better. I can admit I’ve had quite the shitty attitude for a while but I’m trying to do what it takes to actually take steps to do what I want now. Though I’ve never really been big on New Years resolutions, I plan on procrastinating much less. The fact that it’s a new year is just a nice excuse to give the a little push.
Also, my friend is going to start teaching me how to read music. Which will be a great help overall. And I intend on actually taking a look at what you were saying about the keyboards being sold for cheap on eBay, that never even crossed my mind. So thanks for that.
Overall, I know we’re all human, we’re all going to make mistakes, we’re all going to have to sift through a lot of bull shit to get what we want or to get where we want to go. Anyway, I greatly appreciate your suggestions & your unbiased insight. For me, and for all of the people that visit the site, I think what you’re doing is great and truly appreciate it. Hope you all at SubVert Magazine had a great time over the holidays.
This part is in response to George:
Thanks George, I appreciate the encouragement. And you make some good points. I’ve actually been teaching myself to play guitar for a couple of years now. I’ve dabbled in Acoustic, Electric & Bass. I’ve come up with some little tunes that I think sound good. But I always run into the ever present issue of not being able to complete it or I just thing of a bunch of different little tunes that sound good but don’t usually fit together to be put in one song.
And I intend on getting a keyboard. My heart lies deeply within music but I really want to learn piano/keys & improve on my vocals as well as writing.
I enjoy the feedback & comradely I get when working with other people, but as I stated in the above article, I’ve tried to start bands before & it keeps falling through. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to give up of course. I would much rather work with other people. For the time being I’ve been working on my own & trying to progress creatively.
Thanks again for the feeback
_”Andrew”
January 5th, 2009 at 1:08 am
Being the girlfriend of “Andrew”, I know that he is not into the music deal for the money and that he isn’t just saying these things because he is afraid of whatever there is to be afraid of. His heart is in his music and for the five years I’ve known him, he has proven himself to be one of the biggest music enthusiasts I’ve ever known/ heard of. He wants to create masterpieces with his words and inspire others with his visions and theories. The only problem is he’s not so good at prioritizing and managing his money (he has a job). This is something the both of us are working on. Another problem is his impatience. Someone reiterate for me that these sorts of goals don’t just happen overnight and you can’t force these things. You just have to do your part and sit back and let nature take its course. He also doesn’t have many opportunities to let his “voice” be heard. Or even create a band for that matter to make said “voice”. It seems that every plan falls through or every time he’s well on his way to doing the thing he loves most, something has to arise and throw him off course. He’s also been having the worst case of writers block. He feels he has lost his muse and wants suggestions from anyone as to how he can get back on track to doing what he loves most; making soulful music that is unlike the majority of the crap they play on the radio now a days.
p.s. thanks for the “Truth about success” paragraph. I’m sure that helped a lot.
January 5th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
With regards to the above comments and article: This is the nicest and friendliest page I have read for a while and it warms the cockles to see so many nice people doing the nice thing for nice’s sake.
Got me a couple of thoughts for Andrew too…
Having spent 15 years chasing the dream (musically) I had a few successes but ultimately local (UK) ones due mainly to the world being a much smaller place back then. I have now reverted back to my original love of illustration – the principles, however, are much the same in terms of ‘getting out there’ and the methods I have used to promote my art are the same I used in my music career. I have a global audience now though not just a local one.
In terms of cost, money, inspiration and becoming non-reliant on others: Learn to program music! There is so much free software around that can make it possible for you to create a professional in-home studio (example: Computer Music magazine’s free audio applications) And if you get a chance to try Reason DO! It is almost impossible not to be inspired using that program even if you only create a drum loop to jam along with. It’s easy to use despite it’s overwhelming first impression and the quality is fully professional. Tutorials are everywhere for this application too so you don’t even have to wait around for others to teach you.
On stress related and feeling helpless: Computers and the internet have allowed me to do several things more effectively, not least because I now have access to the entire world from my office/home. I can now create, perfect through feedback, promote and sell my work without the hassle of trying to shamelessly squeeze my self into a very clicky industry. I am empowered now to do everything myself. If only I had had these resources at my finger tips when I was trying to make it in the music industry I would surely be commenting now from my private Jet!
The whole process of trying to manage and promote yourself can feel like a real burden and should ideally be minimised especially when your core skills are creative ones. And in fact they can bog you down to such an extent that the creative side takes a back seat and the juices can even stop flowing. Something that I had experienced my self many times. My point (post rant) is that the whole (business and creative) process is now easy, free (if you already have a computer and sound card which are both pretty cheap these days – my previous studio was a crappy old laptop and was more than up to the task) and FUN! You put the effort in when you feel like it – join some like minded groups and most importantly fit the business side around your music making and not the other way round. Basically you don’t have to wait around any more… just get out there and make your own destiny.
Finally… make the music you like and make it for you not anyone else.
Hope that helps… a bit. ^_^
newsugar.co.uk
January 7th, 2009 at 3:46 am
In response to Julian:
I’ve given some of your advice some thought. And I’ve even done some of the things you’ve before.
I’ve always enjoyed the camaraderie you get when working with people that share the similar goals and ideas as me. I’d much rather work with people than do things on my own. I’ve tried to make my own music with guitars over the past 3 years & it has just never really done it for me.
Also, it is easy to make music on computers but to me personally, I want to actually make the music myself without too much aide from a computer program. In my experience, it’s best to not simply limit myself to one way of making music. I feel the same way when it comes to different genre’s of music. Why limit yourself to one specific thing? Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course heh :)
Anyway, It’s a totally different experience when clicking on a screen for hours on end than it is to craft music from your own hands, mind, body & soul. It’s a much more sobering experience for me personally.
Although that does not mean that I’m completely dismissing computer music production. I know I’ll get back on it the next time I get the urge to make something without having to worry about anyone else getting in the way. Computer music production has definitely helped me with my feeling less hopeless with making music though.
Music to me, is an amazing tool that is limitless in it’s range. I’ve always loved music for it’s melodic & sultry sounds as well as the way it can effect people is such a positive way(as well as negative of course).
I was shown this when my cousin died last year. My uncle was of course torn apart(some of my family members even got in a car accident on the way to the funeral. Everyone made it out fine thankfully) but there was one thing that would never fail to lift his spirits & give him hope.
We were at a family gathering where I was the DJ for the night and he asked me to play the song for him but his brother was trying to stop me from doing it(I’m sure he didn’t know how it would truly effect him) So of course I had to do it for him. It was uplifting to me to see the way that song, made his smile, & you could see how he song filled him with hope. He looked like a little kid. That moment will forever be burned into my mind as proof of the power of music, and the hope it is capable of bringing to people.
In way I guess that’s also why Incubus is one of my favorite bands, because rather than focusing on everything that is depressing; they focus more on things uplifting with thought provoking lyrics and great music.
End rant heh :)
_”Andrew”
January 10th, 2009 at 2:24 am
Yeah Incubus! Listen to them every day! Love all their music, new and old for its energy, wisdom and beauty.
“Andrew,” I wouldn’t put down “computer music” if I were you. You can use music software solely to give you more ability with your music without limiting yourself at all. For example, why not just use it to mix your organic recordings? If you wanted to play two things on top of each other, for instance. Something that you can only do if you have an eight track or a computer, and with a computer it’s much easier.
Oh, and any time you feel like procrastination is getting you down, there’s nothing like watching the music video for “Certain Shade of Green” to slap you silly and get off your arse! In fact, I think I’m going to do that right now!
Best of luck to you!
January 27th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
There is not much I have to add, but one thing:
I have been working with a lot of rich people and a lot of very successful people over the past years and one thing I learned, is that money doesn’t change the person you are:
best case scenario: it helps to spread the word and spread the good attitudes one has
worst case scenario: it helps spread that arrogant a**hole _I am not material but crave to have everything_ attitude
But anyways, the thing is, that usually good people will remain good and about the other I guess we do not have to waste any words on them =)
January 29th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Basically, if you are not looking to make any money then it will cost you next to nothing to achieve your dream as you will always be able to find someone who feels what you feel and sees the world in the same way you do.
I’ve been playing in bands in Manchester for the last 7 years. Each time band members have left and joined it has taken me a step closer to the vision of the band I wanted to be in back in 2001.It took me 5 years to put together a line up that I was completely happy with, making the music I wanted to make. The best thing you could do is to put notices up round your town, just stating what you want to do, what you play, who you listen to. Put on it that you’re not looking to make money, that you just want some like minded people to play with. Are there any open-mic nights around you? If there are, then get down to them. If you don’t have the courage to play anything then just go down and watch. When you have the courage, take your guitar. Play a few covers at first if you don’t feel confident in your own compostitions. They will also be hot-beds of people to play with.
Finding your voice might be difficult at first, but the only way to find it is to search for it. Sometimes it doesn’t come until you step up and open your mouth. I’ve sat for hours sometimes thinking of melodies for our tunes and the moment I open my mouth it comes out how I’d never expected…but always better. Playing cover versions is a good way to find it. Can help you find your natural way of singing. Just don’t try and sing like they do. If you want to improve your guitar technique, try playing covers in different styles, singing them in different styles. Will also go down a treat at the open-mic nights.
It costs very little to record at home. There is plenty of software out there that’s easy to use and you can pick up cheap mixers and little mixing desks. If what you’re doing is all acoustic then this would be a decent set up and you can create more than you realise once you start messing about with the effects in the software. That done, and the good ol’ myspace, and your music is out there. If you want to give it away to people than you can have it up there to download for free. Get onto music forums and just ask people to give it a listen. By this time, you might be getting some money – that dreaded word, more on that later – anyway, some run some CDs off at home and give it away at gigs.
Issues then arise around ambition and how much you feel you can sacrifice for it. This is where the money issue comes in. If you are all happy doing what you are doing, playing at the places you play, rehearsing and recording at home then all will be good and yes, who knows, money may come your way. You may be discovered just through simple word of mouth. This is what the majority of bands dream of, the chance to just live to play and write. Of course, that comes with a whole new set of dilemas.
If your ambition for this, the chance to live just to be in a band, comes from your very core then the issue of money becomes all the more pertinent. It is not then about making money, but about the need to spend money. Recording, promotion, travel, CD production, website, rehearsal room, a van, equipment repairs…all outgoings. The reality of the unsigned music scene across the country means that the vast majority of this will come out of your own pocket. I get that this is probably not what you’re thinking about, but these issues have been the cause of friction within our band and is all the more problematic because we are all good friends as well.
The reality for bands who have that level of burning ambition, that desire to just live to make music, is on the whole a poor one – we are the new starving artists. As I said previously, I’ve been playing in bands for the last 7 years in Manchester. The first incarnation was pretty much the scenario I described above. 4 of us playing acoustic music, printing our own CDs. All completey DIY. And yes, at this point we just gave it all away for free. As the band progressed, so did our ambitions. We released an EP on our own label a couple of years back, had a 7″ put out by a little label down in London, recorded an album for them, but were then dropped (we’d gone in a different direction to how they thought). So now we’re back at the point where we are putting our hands into our pockets simply to be the band that is striving to satisfy the ambition we have. Over the last 3 years we have probably spent close to £5000 on our band and still we are spending. Why are we spending? It’s certainly not because we can afford it, but it is a necessity to do the things we want to do at the level we want to do it.
I read a post somewhere recently that was bemoaning the fact that some bands charge for their CDs at gigs. Stating that bands should give away their music for free, that it is the best way to be heard. Well, yes it is, but it does not take into account the amount of money that some bands need to spend. Couple that with the fact that once you step into the world of gig promoters you’ll be lucky to make anywhere close to a tenth of what you’re spending. The only way to get through this period is to have help – a manager, a friend, just someone else to help – which we unfortunately don’t. Like the majority of unsigned bands, we do everything ourselves and it takes a lot of time, effort and money. So with all this in mind, when we release our new album, should we charge people to buy it, to download it? Oh, we know that we will not come anywhere close to making back what we have spent so some people may think we should cut our loses and just give it away, but if we sell enough, we will have the cash to print more, maybe it will be the only way for us to make some petrol money? Of course we want as many people as possible to hear it, but we also need to eat as none of us come from money, we have very little to fall back on in those terms.
Here’s where I think I can sum up the money point. Do I want to make money from my band? Yes. Does this cheapen the music I make? Not in any way. Why do I want to make money from my music? Because all I want to do is write and play music. I don’t want to drag myself to a day job so I can pay my rent, bills and eat. The goal of everyone in our band is to get to a point where we can give up our jobs and just make music. We don’t want to be rich, we don’t want to be famous, but we want to be able to live through making music. It is a burning desire, although once you get to this point it can be difficult to feel the warmth of the fire inside. Money can and do cause us major headaches…well, lack of it does.
The past few months have been dark days for us but we are seeing the light and this was in some way sparked by a message we got on myspace from a painter and tattoo artist who in Pensilvania who wanted to send us a painting he’d done for us. He told us that he bought a copy of our CD a while back and plays it regularly in his shop. These things make you realise that no matter how much you think you are banging your head against the wall and getting nowhere, you’re getting further than you think and are getting it through to the people who get it. Apparently we have a whole underground fanbase amongst the stoner skater punks of Pensilvania just waiting for us to come over and play…just need to get the money for the flight together ;)
January 29th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Hey Nathan, thanks for your comment / essay :)
I really appreciate that people are taking the time to write thoughtful replies to these posts and try and help each other out.
My background isn’t music or art, I’ve always been interested in entrepreneurial things, from a young age, so I always find it harder to understand why people have trouble asking for money in exchange for their art / music.
Trying to work it out, so that I can help people get over those issues, I’ve spoken to a lot of artists and also a lot of managers and management teams, the people who frequently end up making the lions share of the money on behalf of the artists, so the artists don’t have to deal with the issue.
The secret is, there really isn’t any secret – other than maybe ignore some dick who tells you that you should dedicate your life to his entertainment and inspiration for free. What other job would anyone even consider working for free in?
But I know where the fear of charging comes from because its the same for anyone who follows their own path and chooses to put their own voice out into the world.
It’s not the same as selling double glazing or cars or insurance, you are selling something you put your heart and soul into, you are selling yourself, you are hanging your balls out there for all the world to see. That’s scary as hell. And because its so scary we try and avoid asking for the sale. We tell ourselves that if we give it away for free, then no one can tell us its shit or knock us down. But that’s not living the full creative life.
I wrote an article about what I’d call the ‘busker principle’ as part of the ‘creative secrets’ series,( I’d urge anyone who is interested in this kind of thing to subscribe for free, it will be delivered automatically near the end of the series. People tell us they get a lot of value from them. )
In brief it points out that that you have to spend those early ’struggling years’ working on every aspect of your formula; your craft/skill level, your fear, your performance, learning to communicate with your fans and finding the best model to charge for your work.
Only when you have mastered all these on a small scale, will you be able to ’scale up’ and grow from a secure foundation.
I’ll say it a million times, money is nothing more than a way of exchanging value.
It’s how we barter, it’s how we say “thank you – this is valuable to me.”
If you’re asking for it and no one is willing to pay you, then you’re asking the wrong people or you haven’t developed your skill enough yet. If you’re not asking for it, you have no one to blame but yourself.
For Nathan, if he were to ask my advice (and I appreciate that he didn’t) but if he did, I would say that if I were you I would start building a community of Pensilvanian, stoner, skater-punks today!
You’ve already got one fan who you know values your work more than enough to pay for it, you know that it’s effected his life. So invite him, tell him to bring some friends and start making products that they would be happy to BUY.
Hell I’d create a CD called ‘Stoner Skater Punks from Pensilvania’.
You can start building a community on sites like ning.com (that’s where we will be growing the SUBvert community when we launch the membership site).
I’m sure if you work at it, you will find that there are Stoner Skater Punks from places other than Pensilvania, I bet the worlds full of em!
The world is also full of artists who had to travel a bit to find their ideal market. Paul Smith and Vivian Westwood spring to mind, both hailed as Great British clothes designers, but both of who were largely mocked or ignored for the most part in their home country for much of their career. Paul Smith made his name when he found his market in Japan and Vivian Westwood when she focused on the States.
Hell, ‘The Hoff’ even became a rock star by touring the world until he found his musical home in Germany!
I’ll leave you to ponder that one :)
Paul.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Well we’re certainly sending him a goodie bag in return, with the new album as well. We’re planning on doing more with our record label in the future so any advice is welcome. We pound myspace, which is has basically just become on huge advert, but is still probably the easiest way to get in touch with people and for people to hear stuff. Any advice, sites, people, things to do…send them our way. Cheers
October 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
soo just finished reading this, and as a beginner musician i must say huge thanks!